Here's my experience with Dethmartyr trading my Sasquatch + $50 for his Hatrick and Essence. I'll just go ahead and post the PMs we had. My first one or two i sent him weren't saved, but they were basically just asking about the original deal. Everything else is exactly in the words and i can post the screenshots to prove it should i need to.
Long post, apologies, but want to get it all out there. I bolded certain parts.
Here's his original post that started it: http://www.yoyonation.com/talk/index.php/topic,98936.msg1052213.html
Note the key words "near mint" in the title.
Me: "So Sasquatch+$50 for Essence and Hatrick? I'd be willing to ship first, provided you let me pay the $50 after receiving the 2 throws, or else i'd lose both money and the CLYW should something go wrong. I'd be willing to PayPal as a gift so there wouldn't be any fees since i wouldn't need any recourse at that point. Here's a few pictures i just took of the Sas:http://xs.to/media/49801http://i55.tinypic.com/mb5qno.jpg
Any chance i could get some better pics of the General Yos? Are they both smooth on the throw? Rims in good condition?
Him: "both play amazing essence=my main both are stock no rim damage
and if you need more proof of me http://yoyoexpert.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=14203
and if ya wouldnt mind id prefer to get the 50 as well i ship as soon as i receive yours
im well known on yye:D
and pics atm i cant i have no camera"
Me: "Awesome. Off to ship your yoyo now. Will send you the tracking # when i get back from the gym and PayPal the money this afternoon."
Me: "Sasquatch has been shipped. I shipped it USPS first class from a UPS store so they couldn't give me a tracking number, but hopefully you should get it in the next day or two. Also i Paypal'd you the money, so i think we're all set. Just ship the two General Yos to me when you receive the Sas."
Him" "kk thank you since your in va i should actually get it tommarow:d maybe
and you beat a guy that wanted the gen yos btw his offer was a skyline and 90 bucks"
Me: "Hey you get the Sasquatch yet? Thanks."
Him: "sure did yours is shipped just forgot the tracking number in the car and i must say the sas is beautiful"
Me: "Excellent! Can't wait. Thanks."
Me: "You said these were "near mint" with "no rim damage". However both have extensive damage and are far from mint...? I'm afraid i'm going to have to ask for the $50 back or a tradeback, your choice. There's no way these two throws were worth a mint sasquatch + $50 imo, had i known the condition they were in i never would have done the deal. Not trying to be a ****, but i think i'm being fair."
Him: "both are near mint the essence has a few pin pricks and the hat trick has a few scratches
the essence had a deal for 110 and a skyline so its in amazing condition"
Him:" i could give you 50 back when i get paid but i dont do trade backs"
Me: "I'm just saying that what most people interpret as near mint, including myself, is nowhere near what these are. The pinpricks(all 10 of them) are all in one location and have been sanded smooth discoloring the finish, in my opinion that is far from a single simple pinprick which is what most people think of a pinprick being. I guarantee that if someone had known the condition of the Essence, as well as the fact that it's a B-grade(which you failed to mention), they never would have paid even $60, let alone $110 for it. I'd be lucky to get $100 for both of these on the B/S/T, and yet the mint Sasquatch + $50 was worth $165 total. Just feeling like i got a terrible deal. I'd feel a lot better about everything if i got the $50 back. When do you get paid? I'd also be willing to trade Essence for Sasquatch and i'd keep the Hatrick and you'd keep the $50."
Him: "get paid in a week and i sold the sas already
Me: "Alright. So what date should i expect the $50 by? How about by next Friday the 22nd? That should give you plenty of time. Make sure to send it as a gift in PayPal."
-8 days pass-
Me: "Hey, just making sure you're still planning on sending me that $50 today. Thanks."
Me: "So should i assume i won't be seeing the money? I see you've logged on multiple times today and not responded to my message or sent me anything. I really don't feel like having to leave negative feedback and going through all that hassle. Would love to get the $50 or work something out. I'd be willing to accept another throw instead, or even buy something from you at a reduced price."
Him: "only thing i have atm i am selling is a mint blue with gray spash genesis
and that was my brother yesterday on"
Me: "Send me the Genesis and we'll call it even? Or you can just send me the $50 like you said you would a week ago."
Him: "or maybe next time youll take time out to look at pics:D
ill send you the gensis when i get time and btw you sas wasnt mint as you said but i dont complain about it the axle comes out not normal"
Me: "You didn't send me pictures when i asked for them and the only picture you posted was tiny and impossible to see details. And no idea what you mean the axle comes out. You mean unscrews? Like it's supposed to?"
Him: "yup you asked for pics i said wait till i got home from work you woulndt wait this all seems like your bad not mine"
Me: "You can't be serious. I asked for pictures, you said you didn't have a camera, at no point did you say you could take pictures later on that day. That doesn't even matter though, the fact of the matter is that you said they were "near mint" with "no rim damage". I shouldn't need to ask for pictures to verify someone isn't lying to me. I have around 6 transactions in progress right now on the board and every one of them is perfect except for ours. I think i've been more than fair, given you more than enough time, and offered you numerous ways to resolve the issue. I'm done with this back and forth. If you send me the Genesis first thing next week we'll call it even, simple as that."
Him: "your very childish teen?
there is no back and fourth ill send you the genesis when i get time(its called a job)
the throws was near mint far from beaters
i said i cant get pics atm there pal"
And that's all we had on YYN before he was banned. A few email back and forths since, after giving him a week to ship the Genesis, but it's become obvious he has no plan to ever send me the Genesis(the same one he sold to oyoyoy, which is hilarious since he sold it to him while i was waiting or him to send it to me). And also my Sasquatch he told me he sold and couldn't trade back? Yeah he posted it for sale on another yoyo forum on July 25th and it's still for sale there.
Here are pictures i took of the "near mint" throws with "no rim damage" minutes after i got them:
Kinda hard to tell but the Hatricks gashes are through the ano and also there's more on the other side. The Essence looks like it took a massive fall onto asphalt and was sanded smooth, can still easily feel the marks.
Since i paypal'd as a gift i have no recourse there, and only a PO box for him, found where he works, but not much i can do with that. I take full responsibility and should have been smarter, but i had such great experiences with everyone else here i let my guard down. If i can prevent even one person from doing business with him i'll be happy and consider it a lesson learned. Long story short if you see anyone asking you to send throws to a PO box in Hernshaw, West Virginia, or someone asking you to send PayPal money to email@example.com
, run the other way.